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Imagining a Stone: Virtual Landscapes

The log of an online meeting held at Lingua MOO on Wednesday 29th July 1998 as part of the Lecture Series Ensemble Logic & Choragraphy curated by Teri Hoskin, Adelaide, Australia.

The meeting involved a tour of a series of virtual rooms created by Sue Thomas including several responses to works by the artist Andy Goldsworthy.
IMAGINING A STONE: VIRTUAL LANDSCAPES with Sue Thomas


teri says, "well ok. Welcome everyone, glad we could all make it, and thanks sue for your generous event here"

Sue bow gracefully at teri.

teri says, "and, I look forward to lots of fun and thinking here, lets go!"

.nathan. claps.

Ed pulls up a chair and is ready.

spawn says, "with the emphasis on fun. we've already laughed lots over here"

Helen says, "over where?"

spawn says, "the thinking worries me a bit"

dibbles poises fingers

teri says, "I'll just intorduce myself a little bit. I'm currently curating the ensemble logic project for the electronic writing research ensemble"

spawn says, "helen - sydney"

Helen [to spawn]: thanks I'm in Nottingham like Sue

teri says, "and i live and work from adealaide australis, and my typing is terrible, over to you sue"

Sue say, "thanks teri - I'd really like to hear from everyone as to who and where they are - the computer can take it if you just type it in now!"

dibbles says, "dibbles is di in Brisbane, oz"

Sue say, "You dont need to wait for each person - just introduce yourself"

josie says, "I am in perth western australia "

Sue say, "and say what you do perhaps?"

Helen says, "I am a writer and editor working partly with Sue, in Nottingham"

Ed is a scientist in CT, USA, (northeast usa) and is interesting in writing in virtual space

dibbles says, "dibbles is artist"

josie says, "I am I guess I am I think I am a writer and other things as well - performance mainly"

Ed . o O ( interest"ed" )

spawn says, "spawnpage helen please explain about looking for ys in trace"

.nathan. says, "i'm .nathan.strait. an artist and student in michigan; i learned of enslog through greg ulmer. i have a cousin in adelaide, for those of Sue down under."

wraith says, "wraith is mark in adelaide. an artist and writer and enslog participant"

teri says, "oo who is it nathan?"

Sue say, "welcome everyone! i think the only one we have missed is spawn who i believe is 2 people!"

.nathan. says, "my cos in adelaide is kim cox."

Sue say, "ok, i am going to start. I am planning on an hour max? yes?"

spawn says, "spawn consists of sp - sonja porcaro artist and writer and aw - anne walton performance artist/writer hi everyone"

wraith says, "kim cox rings a bell"

josie says, "yes - I have to go then - "

Ed nods at Sue.

Sue say, "I'd like to say Hi to everyone who has taken the time to come. I hope you like the rooms and that we find some interesting things to discuss. This is the first time I've done anything quite like this, so I decided to begin by pasting in a few paragraphs and then let the talk go from there. I'll say a few words and then open up for discussion. We can move through the rooms as we go along."

dibbles nods as well

Sue say, "I don't know if this is relevant, but I spent the first three years of my life living in premises on the grounds of grandparents' commercial rose garden. Maybe that affected me, but I am very drawn to the romance and beauty of the land and through that all things inorganic. I am fascinated by the body of the earth, by its aura and emissions, by the secret mineral and electrical energies which are held in the ground we walk on. I have written an entire novel about Water, and now I feel moved to explore dry land a little further."

teri smiles

Sue say, "Last paragraph: I find Andy Goldsworthy's work intriguingly manipulative of the inorganic world. It moves me a great deal. As a writer I have always been more interested in things than people (!) and he does with nature what I try to do with text both on paper and in virtuality. I would very much like to hear your responses to my notion that virtuality is a new and thoroughly natural environment which is as authentic as a flesh environment. People who are unfamiliar with it call it 'false' or 'pretend' but for me it is living art. What do youthink?"

teri says, "i think i want to experience it"

Helen says, "We ARE experiencing it, we produce art as we write ?"

Ed [to Helen]: yes, painting in the mind

teri says, "ive seen friends affected by this environment as strongly as a flesh world"

wraith says, "this virtual stuff is just a confirmation of the intensity at which i was already participating in the vibrancy of this world"

.nathan. says, "i imagine that a person's response to a virtual world depends upon their ability to 'see'...."

.nathan. says, "or 'touch'..."

dibbles says, "or imagine"

Helen says, "just as when reading a dead tree book"

teri says, "the touch is the curious things because words do move the flesh, and in that sense virtual has been around for a long time"

josie says, "I guess what I found interesting with Suer Goldsworthy work is that the metaphors of transience, impermanence work both ways. IS his work like a material maniestation of the virutual, or an equivalent?"

Sue say, "interesting point nathan. Shall we move to the first room and see what you think? This is a description of a Goldsworthy piece - just type start"

Ed says, "it is a mixture of relating experiences of the natural senses to what might be yet unexperienced"

teri leaves for the _____Seaweed and rock sculpture.

START

_____Seaweed and rock sculpture

A stony outcrop on the shore where fine seaweed has dried and stained the rocks an emerald hue. But one is browner than the usual brown, and greener than the usual green. The artist's hands are slick with the residue of ocean, his clothes scented with salt, his heavy boots damp and cold.

teri is here.

Exits include: [on] to _____Sand Forest

.nathan. arrives from -trAce-.

Ed arrives.

Helen arrives from -trAce-.

dibbles arrives from -trAce-.

wraith arrives from -trAce-.

josie arrives from -trAce-.

spawn arrives from -trAce-.

spawn says, "spaw is in here somewhere"

wraith leaves for the _____Sand Forest.

Sue say, "well josie asked if Goldsoerthy's work is 'virtual'"

Sue say, "what do you think?"

teri says, "it seems a little realer than real, like you said in your piece"

Helen says, "his rain shadows are completely virtual"

teri says, "not quite only what it appears to be"

Ed says, "it's easy to see the artist working in the environment and then standing back to see the subtle effect"

teri says, "is this what it is to be virtual?"

.nathan. says, "something that is going through my mind is the relationship of the virtual to technology... one has to be literate to to enjoy sue's work..."

josie says, "Time is an important element of his work...spittle ices and then disintegrates"

Sue [to teri]: I don't know - what do you think?

.nathan. says, "one also has to be electrate too..."

dibbles says, "virtual disappeard fdaster.....almost faster than the eye can read"

teri says, "the transcience, the timeliness"

spawn says, "a girl (or two) could very easily get left behind in this conversation"

Sue say, "this idea of electracy - can you explain it for postereity and the cap file?"

dibbles says, "there is no trace..pardon the pun"

smile dibbles

Sue smile at dibbles.

teri says, "ulmer writes that electracy is to the digital what lkiteracy is to the book"

teri says, "that is, we must become literate in the peculiarities of this enviroment"

Sue say, "let's move to the next room and hear your thoughts"

teri says, "and maybe learn to touch type:)"

Sue say, "type on"

_____Sand Forest

Warm and dry but shifting underfoot. This land used to be sea-bed but within the last hundred years it has been reclaimed, drained, and planted as new forest. It is littered with white sea-shells and dark pine-needles, both of which can slide between the toes and pierce the skin. Beyond the young trees lies a stretch of shallow water reflecting the summer sky and enclosed by the perfect line of a dike. There are few sounds here - just the occasional bird, or a distant car passing along the elevated road. Everything is geometrically regular: the water is at a constant depth of one metre; the dike is exactly the same width and height all the way along; the trees are equidistant and of the same species, although nature has created some variety of size. Everywhere you see only verticals, horizontals, and the spaces in between. A geometry of newness and calm.

Exits include: [on] to _____Shadow caused by rain

josie arrives from _____Seaweed and rock sculpture.

dibbles arrives from _____Seaweed and rock sculpture.

teri arrives from _____Seaweed and rock sculpture.

Ed arrives from _____Seaweed and rock sculpture.

Helen arrives from _____Seaweed and rock sculpture.

.nathan. arrives from _____Seaweed and rock sculpture.

Sue say, "i wrote this from my memories of Holland"

josie says, "I find this geometry distrubing"

Sue say, "it is a concentrate - not real"

josie says, "disturbing"

Sue [to josie]: explain?

Ed [to josie]: why?

Sue smile at Ed.

Ed chuckles.

spawn arrives from _____Seaweed and rock sculpture.

wraith arrives from _____Seaweed and rock sculpture.

wraith asks, "am i here?"

Sue say, "btw any time you want to see the room again just type look"

teri says, "it has a coolnes and ominence about it, something WILL happen"

josie says, "I guess its abstraction, as you say, leads me away from my aesthetic of nature - it has a gemoetric quality that I cant quite take hold of"

di arrives from _____Seaweed and rock sculpture.

teri says, "You are here wraith"

Sue [to josie]: Holland is VERY geometric - in its landscape and its thinking

teri says, "i like it very much, it can be seen"

wraith says, "ive been many places"

Helen says, "the Holland landscape is not natural"

Sue [to Helen]: good point

.nathan. says, "this is also interesting from the perspective of synesthesia, the medical condition..."

teri asks, "more .nathan?"

Ed [to josie]: I have walked in the mountains and come across just such stands of forest, clearly showing the hand of humans.

Josie says, "yes I know this - abstractly - I guess that it exists as a model in my imagination only -"

.nathan. says, "i've thought that what glue calls electracy is a form of synesthesia..."

Sue ask, "is there more nathan?"

Sue ask, "i thought ....indicated more?"

.nathan. says, "this may be an over-simplified account, but literacy is all about analytical categories ... electracy is about the mixing of categories, much like synesthesiaa is the mixing of senses..."

Sue exclaim, "ah!"

.nathan. says, "for example, a synesthete will look at the word "RED" and see the color red..."

Helen says, "that would be helpful here"

Ed [to .nathan.]: doesn't everyone?

.nathan. says, "or a synesthete will taste chicken and feel 'roundness', or taste cinnamon and taste 'pointyness'...."

teri asks, "or the word ded?"

.nathan. says, "the word ded might be orange or yellow etc."

Sue say, "thats very interesting"

josie says, "can you explain more ed"

.nathan. says, "there is an excellent page at mit about synesthesia, just do a net search."

spawn says, "ummmm excuse us but can anyone hear us we're gettin the feelin we're not here"

josie says, "hello spawny"

Helen says, "Sue're here spawn"

Sue say, "i think that maybe what writers try to do is provoke synasthesia"

spawn says, "identity crisis just keeps looming in the virtual"

Ed [to josie]: sure, orderedness is difficult to attain...it takes

energy...randomness is the natural low level state.

wraith says, "you're here spaw"

Sue say, "shall we move on ? type on"

.nathan. says, "it's also difficult to resist orderedness...."

teri leaves for the _____Shadow caused by rain.

spawn says, "thanks for the reassurance everyone"

Helen leaves for the _____Shadow caused by rain.

Ed leaves for the _____Shadow caused by rain.

josie [to ed]: I know this very well in my own life

.nathan. leaves for the _____Shadow caused by rain.

on

_____Shadow caused by rain

A rock which looks much smaller than it is. Scale is so hard to judge in photographs like this, and so we see a minor scattering where in fact there was once, quite recently, a sizeable slide of earth. The artist lies down and spreads himself open, gazing at the sky as rain patters into his eyes.

teri, Helen, Ed, and .nathan. are here.

Exits include: [on] to _^^~^___ the fields---_____~~^_^-~~ ____^^___~~~~~~

spawn arrives from _____Sand Forest.

josie arrives from _____Sand Forest.

di arrives from _____Sand Forest.

Sue say, "in this room i liked to imagine the artist making this work"

Ed smiles at .nathan., "do nothing and you have resisted orderliness :)"

Sue say, "and wondered whether he did actually open his eyes"

Helen says, "I saw him on TV doing one of these, and I think he did"

Sue say, "this is another goldsworthy"

.nathan. says, "i've tried doing nothing. i always seem to do something ... breathe, etc. :)"

Ed . o O ( very suggestive room )

teri says, "i like the way you write with the work sue"

Sue say, "thanks teri"

teri says, "a sort of adding to it filed"

teri says, "i meant field"

.nathan. says, "very beautiful in here"

Sue say, "in the paper I talked about the traces we do not leave in cyberspace - do you think thats true?"

Helen says, "it is appropriate that an ephemeral sculpture is described in an ephemeral medium"

wraith arrives from _____Sand Forest.

smile helen

Sue smile at Helen.

teri says, "well, no, i think we do leave traces, related to signature perhaps?

Sue [to teri]: in what way?

.nathan. says, "although notice that we are not 'in' here ... or 'out' here..."

di says, "i don't feel i have left a trace yet"

Ed [to .nathan.]: are we not "in" here?

di says, "haven't built"

teri says, "i guess i mean just in a community sense, but this is unstable"

Helen says, "If I turn my screen off am I still with you?"

teri says, "as it could only be"

josie says, "place is different in hyperspace - the old idea of place is tied to geography - this is not for me a spacey kind of place"

Ed [to Helen]: everything still exists, you just aren't looking

teri says, "well helen, if we have had an amazingly intense time, then yes, as memory, trace"

.nathan. says, "electracy shifts the relationship between inner and outer...."

spawn says, "but it hurts the eyes"

Sue say, "question"

teri says, "blurs perhaps, or neither?"

Sue say, "i called the exits here 'on' but do you feel you are moving ? and in which direction?"

josie [to teri]: it definately blurs the eyes :)

teri says, "spawn it gets easier, galsses help :)"

Helen says, "just as do colours exist when we are not looking at them, as colour is only a function of our eyes"

spawn says, "do you mean the book by derrida that i gave you for your birthday (sorry that's probably too personal for the collective)"

josie says, "I guess we cannot avoid these metaphors of direction ...on...place - at..."in" the text"

teri says, " i figured you did the on for our ease tonight, it maKES it quite linear"

Sue say, "linear? any advvance on that?"

di says, " i thought it was like the adventurer...on into the night rode the intrepid fab five"

Ed [to Helen]: no..color exists without our eyes...the light is still of the same energy whether we look at it or not.

teri says, "perhaps on , linear, on to without an end in site"

Sue say, "in the training room you have to go up and up and up!"

Helen says, "if there were more than one exit it might not be linear"

josie says, "cumulative - or like feedback - self regulating system>? Where's ed - we need him!"

Sue say, "ok shall we move on?"

teri says, "glas is definately blurry"

Ed smiles at josie.

Sue say, "type on"

teri leaves for the _^^~^___ the fields---_____~~^_^-~~ ____^^___~~~~~~.

spawn leaves for the _^^~^___ the fields---_____~~^_^-~~ ____^^___~~~~~~.

Helen [to Ed]: I think that's a quality of the light the wavelength frequency etc. but colour is how we translate it, as we translate what we are reading into a picture in our mind's eye

wraith leaves for the _^^~^___ the fields---_____~~^_^-~~ ____^^___~~~~~~.

di leaves for the _^^~^___ the fields---_____~~^_^-~~ ____^^___~~~~~~.

.nathan. leaves for the _^^~^___ the fields---_____~~^_^-~~ ____^^___~~~~~~.

josie leaves for the _^^~^___ the fields---_____~~^_^-~~ ____^^___~~~~~~.

Helen leaves for the _^^~^___ the fields---_____~~^_^-~~ ____^^___~~~~~~

_^^~^___ the fields---_____~~^_^-~~ ____^^___~~~~~~

They stretch as far as the eye can see. It is autumn, and the ground is stubbled with the remains of the harvest. On its way to Africa for the winter, a sheet of birds darkens the sky in a turning twisting mass, then disperses and moves on as a scattered cohort towards the far-off hills and, beyond them, to the open sea. A single curving line of elder and willow marks the path of the sunken stream which has etched its way through the landscape from west to east. Several fields away, a tractor is slicing new furrows in the compacted earth. They gleam darkly against the white of the following seagulls. The sky is an English grey, as if the mists of autumn are held fast in a canopy above our heads; a canopy which at any moment might fall and surround us, billowing out to hide the stream and the trees and the tractor and the wheeling birds... until we are left alone and silent in a muffling quilt of cloud.

teri, spawn, wraith, di, .nathan., josie, and Helen are here.

Exits include: [on] to _____Elm leaves stitched together

Helen says, "I love this description"

Ed arrives.

Sue say, "this is my very favourite room"

josie says, "this is like words flying off a page"

Sue say, "and it is very real"

Ed smiles.

Sue say, "i keep this on my screen often when i am at work"

spawn says, "aw has to admit she has trouble with de scriptions"

Helen waves at the canopy of grey in speechless wonder

Sue [to spawn]: you dont like the descriptions?

Sue say, "somebody said they had never seen autumn - who was that?"

spawn says, "sue no its just that my brain sort of glances away from descriptive words. sorry i cant be more rational about it than that. "

di blushes

Sue [to spawn]: thats interesting

josie says, "i love this. I llike the physicality of the canopy"

Sue say, "i cant imagine not ever having seen autumn!"

_^^~^___ the fields---_____~~^_^-~~ ____^^___~~~~~~

They stretch as far as the eye can see. It is autumn, and the ground is stubbled with the remains of the harvest. On its way to Africa for the winter, a sheet of birds darkens the sky in a turning twisting mass, then disperses and moves on as a scattered cohort towards the far-off hills and, beyond them, to the open sea. A single curving line of elder and willow marks the path of the sunken stream which has etched its way through the landscape from west to east. Several fields away, a tractor is slicing new furrows in the compacted earth. They gleam darkly against the white of the following seagulls. The sky is an English grey, as if the mists of Autumn are held fast in a canopy above our heads; a canopy which at any moment might fall and surround us, billowing out to hide the stream and the trees and the tractor and the wheeling birds... until we are left alone and silent in a muffling quilt of cloud.

teri, spawn, wraith, di, .nathan., josie, Helen, and Ed are here.

Exits include: [on] to _____Elm leaves stitched together

di says, "when i read your description i have to recall a movie or tv like heartbeat"

josie says, "We dont have autumn like you do"

.nathan. says, "one difference between sue's and goldsworthy's work is that sue's work happens much more in my mind."

spawn says, "sue a tchy question - how do we direct a comment to Sue alone (but not the paging system)"

Helen says, "my favourite time of year. You must try it sometime!"

Sue [to spawn]: type page sue comment

.nathan. says, "goldsworthy's is much more .... hmmm.... tactile?"

Sue say, "well nathan i am pleased to hear that!"

teri says, "what differs between a collection of words, and an image?"

Sue says, "i must admit when i wrote this i assumed every readr would have seen it at some time"

josie says, "what i find interesting - is that Goldworthy involves the body, his body, in a way that I never feel writing does - I guess I am thinking of when i used to go to dance classes - "

.nathan. says, "i actually think this telnet screen is quite ugly. but what i see in my mind is beautiful. the mind's eye..."

di says, "goldsworty exists in a picture. This room exists only in my mind as i see it"

Ed [to teri]: how the mind interprets and grows

teri says, "yes, the interface is often disappointing"

Helen says, "perhaps we can explore this sutumn/not autumn topic in the trace noon quilt which will be this autumn in UK"

josie says, "i dont mind that - the interface. It leaves a space for the mind"

Sue [to spawn]: sorry- misuyndrstood - type to sue comment

teri says, "i agree ed, often words can leave more space, images are very ridden some how"

Sue say, "ok i amconscious of time - shall we move on again?"

teri says, "though not all, installation art works best for me"

spawn [to Sue]: comment is this how its done?

josie says, "ok onward "

Ed [to teri]: agreed, an image locks in an idea or set of them

josie leaves for the _____Elm leaves stitched together.

Sue [to spawn]: yes!

di leaves for the _____Elm leaves stitched together.

_____Elm leaves stitched together

A gleaming string of yellow describes the edges of a stream and reaches up into the tree, connecting water and wood by a loose necklace of the tree's own leaves. The artist's fingers are punctured and sore from twisting thorns from branches and needling them through fragile and tearable skins.

josie and di are here.

Exits include: [on] to _____The_Damp_Darkness

.nathan. arrives from _^^~^___ the fields---_____~~^_^-~~ ____^^___~~~~~~.

Helen arrives from _^^~^___ the fields---_____~~^_^-~~ ____^^___~~~~~~.

teri arrives from _^^~^___ the fields---_____~~^_^-~~ ____^^___~~~~~~.

Ed arrives from _^^~^___ the fields---_____~~^_^-~~ ____^^___~~~~~~.

Sue say, "when i wrote this i was conscious that we have all probably seen a different qulaity of yellow"

Sue say, "due to our screens"

Sue say, "but mine was luminescent"

teri says, "sue this is one of my favourites, firstly i have seen this image before and loved it, spatially it is amazing, and secondly, the way you write the traces of the actions he used to make them stick"

Helen says, "I see mustard!"

spawn arrives from _^^~^___ the fields---_____~~^_^-~~ ____^^___~~~~~~.

clipper arrives from _^^~^___ the fields---_____~~^_^-~~ ____^^___~~~~~~.

Sue say, "thanks teri"

Sue say, "i can imagine it must have been damned hard work to make!"

_____Elm leaves stitched together

A gleaming string of yellow describes the edges of a stream and reaches up into the tree, connecting water and wood by a loose necklace of the tree's own leaves. The artist's fingers are punctured and sore from twisting thorns from branches and needling them through fragile and tearable skins.

josie, di, .nathan., Helen, teri, Ed, spawn, and clipper are here.

Exits include: [on] to _____The_Damp_Darkness

josie says, "that is what I like - the labour"

Sue [to josie]: oh i agree

teri says, "there is such pleasure in repetitive work like this, impossible

annoying and satisfying"

.nathan. says, "one of glue's images for electracy is that of the PROSTHESIS ... tha rather than evoking an experience, electracy creates an experience. like a patchwork or a combinatorial wheel. perhaps...""

Sue say, "this is what many scupltors enjoy, i think"

Helen says, "the leaves luminexcent with fading autumn sunlight, spotted with dark red..."

teri says, "ahh, a patchwork:-)"

Sue [to nathan]: i like that idea

josie [to Sue]: do Sue know the story of the girl who sews shirts for her brothers - so they can fly - but only half finishes here - is that right? it is a firy story?

Sue [to teri]: yes! a patchwork!

josie [to Sue]: i mean fairy

Sue [to josie]: no,dont know that one

Sue say, "half finished her own?"

josie says, "yes - she was left unfinished. It is a Hans Christian I think"

Sue say, "i will look for it - shall we move on again? just 3 more i think"

josie says, "the bleeding fingers "

Helen leaves for the _____The_Damp_Darkness.

josie leaves for the _____The_Damp_Darkness.

Ed leaves for the _____The_Damp_Darkness.

_____The_Damp_Darkness

A clearing in an ancient wood. The patch of short grass in its centre is almost exactly circular in shape, its surface uneven where the remains of trees fallen long ago form humps and bumps beneath the shawl of green. There are rings upon rings of toadstools at different stages of growth and decline, and the trees make yet another circle around this secret place. One is much larger than the rest, an enormous towering sequoia thousands of years old, its bark gnarled and pitted, its bole a mass of whorled crevices. Here, deep inside one of the fissures, lies a red pod. It is no relative to the tree, indeed it is not kin to any of the species in the clearing, but for hundreds of years it has lain here in the damp and perfumed dark, making a place of peace and sanctuary for the beautiful Liis.

Helen, josie, and Ed are here.

Exits include: [on] to _____Spiral of icicles

di arrives from _____Elm leaves stitched together.

teri arrives from _____Elm leaves stitched together.

.nathan. arrives from _____Elm leaves stitched together.

spawn arrives from _____Elm leaves stitched together.

to josie is that the name? the bleeding finegrs?

Sue [to josie]: is that the name? the bleeding finegrs?

Sue say, "this is from my novel"

.nathan. says, "this reminds me of a druidic grove..."

josie [to Sue]: - no I will let you know...tomorrow...

teri says, "red pod, red pod, these words.."

Ed enjoys the texture of this room

.nathan. says, "electracy is also called 'dream-logic'... this is much like a dream..."

clipper arrives from _____Elm leaves stitched together.

Sue say, "Liis was one of my early characters in the novel"

spawn says, "we like the smell of you writing"

Sue smile at spawn.

Sue [to spawn]: i am honoured

spawn says, "oops yousay oops we meant your writing"

Sue say, "two more - shall we go on?"

josie says, "me too - humus and fungus and force"

teri says, "Liis is unusual, it reads strangly, allusive"

josie leaves for the _____Spiral of icicles.

Helen leaves for the _____Spiral of icicles.

clipper leaves for the _____Spiral of icicles.

Ed leaves for the _____Spiral of icicles.

spawn leaves for the _____Spiral of icicles.

_____Spiral of icicles

A luminescent coil of glass which glows with its own internal light as it winds around a pillar of warm living dark. The artist's mouth is dry and empty of spit. His gloves are spiked with melting crystals.

josie, Helen, clipper, Ed, and spawn are here.

Exits include: [on] to _____The [+]Net[+] of Desire

di arrives from _____The_Damp_Darkness.

teri arrives from _____The_Damp_Darkness.

Sue say, "this continues from the damp darkness really - could be the same place in winter"

.nathan. arrives from _____The_Damp_Darkness.

teri says, "here is that edge again,a certain violence"

josie says, "sue the image of the mouth dried up is wonderful empty of speech"

Sue say, "i thought about how his mouth must have felt after producing so much saliva to weld it together"

.nathan. says, "dream-logic ... dreams as unconscious logic ... the doctor who discovered synesthesia theorizes that we are all unconsciously synesthetic..."

spawn says, "Your writing is like looking at a Goldsworthy rather than reading about (him)"

Ed [to Sue]: interesting, I have never viewed the "darkness" as allowing winter

Sue [to spawn]: i am glad

josie says, "yes, it is like finishing writing"

Sue [to Ed]: nor had i till i made this

Ed nods at Sue.

Helen says, "it's another dimensoin"

Sue [to Ed]: do youthink it should not?

josie says, "that is why I like this writing ed - it sits with the image, rather than above it"

Ed [to Sue]: my instincts say no, but I'm not sure why.

Ed [to Sue]: yes I do! it is a womb for Liis

Sue [to Ed]: perhaps it depends on where Liis is in her life

teri says, " i doont understand ed, darkness and winter seem analogous to me"

Sue [to Ed]: ah that is a point - but even wombs become barran

.nathan. says, "is it winter in australia now?"

di says, "winter IS darkness"

teri says, "yes, very here in adelaide"

josie says, "yes, and it is cold and wet, but the days are blue and clear, in perth"

Sue [to teri]: i see your point but this is more of a wombdarkness, so he is right in that respect

Helen says, "but winter can be lightest of all: when everything is covered in snow it is too bright to look at"

Ed [to Sue]: yes, and this is where the personal is added to virtuality..."the damp darkness" seemed never barren to me

Sue smile at Ed.

teri says, "ah, then a cold womb is definatly possible"

Sue say, "last room ?"

.nathan. says, "ah, interesting. how does our environment..."

di says, "i have never seen snow so i only know winter as dark"

clipper leaves for the _____The [+]Net[+] of Desire.

Ed leaves for the _____The [+]Net[+] of Desire.

josie leaves for the _____The [+]Net[+] of Desire.

_____The [+]Net[+] of Desire

A Playground for the Virtual Body

Here you are weightless in the dark, spinning in the soft velvet air. Your bodies are

*everywhere*

~twisting~

and

~coiling~

lusciously pleasured by the delicate tendrils of the Net of Desire

You have a thousand limbs - or none

^Stretch out!^

^Reach!^

^Open!^

clipper, Ed, and josie are standing here.

Exits include: [on] to _____Seaweed and rock sculpture

.nathan. arrives from _____Spiral of icicles.

teri arrives from _____Spiral of icicles.

.nathan. asks, "how does our environment affect our relationship to the moo?"

spawn arrives from _____Spiral of icicles.

di arrives from _____Spiral of icicles.

.nathan. says, "in australia now it is dark and cold. in michigan it is bright and warm."

Helen arrives from _____Spiral of icicles.

Sue [to nathan]: You mean our environemnt right now? physically?

Sue say, "hmm"

josie [to nathan]: You can see how all this talk of snow and ice is quite fantastical for us in australia

teri says, "this place soun"the playground feels like a good trip"

josie says, "quite mesmeric"

.nathan. says, "yes. the winter seemed to be more real for those in australia... they reacted to it more than i did."

Ed [to .nathan.]: I have never mooed outside :)

Sue say, "this is SUPPOSED to be a noisy room with randomized text but it ,moves very slowly"

kiss me

teri says, "i have a romantic attatchment to snow and ice, never having lived in it"

.nathan. says, "ooh"

josie [to nathan]: not more real - in fact the opposite - more fantastic and hence more forceful? different genre?

di says, "never having seen it"

.nathan. says, "winters are harsh in michigan. we have immense icicles every winter."

Sue say, "this is what i consder to be a totally abstract room"

spawn says, "having the memory of it from long ago"

Sue kicks the radnomized text to make it move

Helen says, "so when we write we need to describe thoroughly, for those who have not the experience"

di sjfdhb

we have a thousand limbs... or none

teri laughs a lot

.nathan. says, "pink lemonade"

di xnvcbsjhdf

.nathan. says, "glossy black sibilant sighs"

di emotes

.nathan. says, "pure molten desire"

di says, "sure"

.nathan. hmms.

josie ice!

di hums

.nathan. winks.

Helen says, "we are floating in an abstract space yet Lingua told me you others were *standing* here"

teri is rolling with tendrils

di wanks ooopps

di winks

.nathan. says, "i'm squatting, actually"

Helen giggles.

spawn says, "we are all winking now on cue"

spawn says, "on queue"

teri asks, "is squatting at the screen better for posture?"

di stands

Sue say, "now we are here you are behaving differently"

Sue ask, "why?"

.nathan. winks.

josie licking it helps!

.nathan. giggles.

.nathan. claps.

Ed smiles at Sue.

teri says, "because you kicked"

di randomly typesgkn

Helen shrugs.

Sue kicks again

josie says, "now now"

.nathan. kicks too

Helen practices kicking.

Sue kicks this damn randomized text - arg!

di kicks three

.nathan. kisses and caresses the randomizer ... c'mon baybee

teri does one of those points dancers do

spawn says, "say instruction is like description"

josie exclaims, "bravo teri!"

Ed [to Sue]: I looked..there is no variable timer here

teri exclaims, "sigh, we are so green!"

Sue admires teri's light step

^open!^

Sue [to Ed]: i looked too - for hours!

Ed . o O ( there )

Sue exclaim, "ah!"

di ??how do you make noise

teri says, "open is goood"

Helen says, "^open!^"

spawn says, "how do we amke sound like that, we are greener"

Sue say, "maybe this is the point - goldsworthy's work is actually technical and so is programming"

Ed looks into the progamming for the delay counter

Sue [to spawn]: only i can add sounds

teri asks, "what is Ed doing?"

Helen says, "language is technical"

josie says, "raindrops on roses and whiskers hmmmmmm"

Ed . o O ( whiskers on kittens? )

Sue say, "this program has a timer and we cant find it to speed up the radnomizing"

Helen hmms.

di hums

Sue ask, "well according to my watch we are 1 minute from the end = should we conclude?"

Ed [to Sue]: seems to be buried in the program code

teri says, "oh, i thought wwe were going to slow"

enter

josie exclaims, "bright copper kettles - a very heimlich toon!!"

Ed [to josie]: Ja

.nathan. leaves for the _____Seaweed and rock sculpture.

teri exclaims, "that has gone so fast!"

Sue say, "i'd like to say/......"

josie says, "too fast"

Ed listens

Helen exclaims, "amazingly fast: thanks all!"

teri listens too

Sue say, "that our conveersation has been BRILLIANT and I have much enjoyed it..."

Sue say, "i will put it online for us to look at"

josie says, "thank you su"

spawn says, "with ine vitablesaysay yesay thankSue we will be speedier next

time"

Sue ask, "maybe teri will too?"

teri so have I, and thankyou so much for this sue

clipper says, "thanks sue"

.nathan. arrives from _____Spiral of icicles.

Sue say, "it has been just great meeting you all"

di says, "thanks all"

josie exclaims, "You too!"

teri says, "yes, i will put it up too at ewre"

language is a skin

.nathan. says, "very interesting"

Sue ask, "thanks for coming - teri do you weant to say anything?"

josie exclaims, "is mark A here - I want to say hello before I say goodbye!"

spawn says, "thanks sue see you again in the rooms"

teri exclaims, "i have no rehersal thingy, just thankyou to everyone.

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